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Post by Matt Kovac on Aug 11, 2008 13:16:50 GMT -4
Yep thats along the lines of what I was thinking.
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Post by Sir Kieran Henson OCS on Aug 11, 2008 15:25:39 GMT -4
Sounds good, been proved that system works.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Aug 15, 2008 16:03:05 GMT -4
Here we go, Simple yet uselfull.
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Post by King Kakali OCS on Aug 15, 2008 17:13:49 GMT -4
Sounds great. Just for the record, who all is planning on signing this document?
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Post by hamlandgov on Aug 15, 2008 18:05:12 GMT -4
That looks fine. I'd like ti to be stated though that the independence of any member nation will not be lost and the organisation will respect sovereignty and ideology.
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Post by anthonymontague on Aug 16, 2008 16:03:11 GMT -4
Gentlemen, if it is acceptable you I would like to make a statement on this treaty to you all tomorrow so as to clear up any misunderstandings that may be arising at the moment.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Aug 16, 2008 16:20:24 GMT -4
Ok I added what you mentioned.
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Post by Alex Hinkelmann on Aug 16, 2008 18:24:23 GMT -4
The Imperial State of Germania is also intressted in joining this Pact, as from what we have seen so far is the Lena Pact along with the Council of Free States are warmongering coalitions, not to say Germania wasnt a warmongering state in the past. Just that we will not stand for silly sabre rattling over somthing that isnt worth the time nor air I breath.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Aug 17, 2008 0:31:38 GMT -4
Excellency,
We invite you to put forth your thoughts and possibly sign the treaty. Welcome!
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Post by anthonymontague on Aug 17, 2008 11:04:45 GMT -4
From the Lovely delegation's table, Anthony Montague begins to speak in the Hall where the World Peace Conference is being held.None of you here have told me that I cannot speak to you all on this situation so I think I will make the statement I have been writing for a number of days now. Dignatories, my fellow micronationals, my friends and in a few cases, my enemies, When I proposed to the Micronational world the foundation of an alliance of micronational states against the dangerous rise of aggressive communism, it was done against the backdrop of the collapse of a great power and a great friend in the country of Adraisia. The Kingdom of Lovely, and the Kingdom of Lovely alone, sought to fight back against the Katyushan regime which so horrendously crippled and then scavenged Adraisia. From that moment, the Kingdom of Lovely was and still is at war with Katyusha. It may be what some would call a Phoney War or a Cold War, but it is war nonetheless. It is a struggle which the Council of Free Nations has taken up with the aim of preserving the fundamentals of the alliance's principles; liberty, free enterprise, rule of law and constitutional government. Any nation that holds those values dear will be entitled to the aid of the Council of Free Nations. Any nation that is threatned by the polar opposite principles of communism will be aided by the Council of Free Nations. We do not stand for Imperialism nor do we stand for regime change at the barrel of a gun. The Council stands for freedom and will continue to do so. The rise of Communism, the rise of Katyushan Communism specifically, is the greatest threat posed to the Micronational world. Only yesterday, the Novatainian's Giess Colony fell to communist agitators. The Council will look to contain that just as in it looks to contain Katyusha's subversion of legitimate and democratic regimes. I believe that Ocia is as much against Katyushan and Lena Pact expansion as any nation in the Council of Free Nations. Did you not condemn the Katyushan sabre rattling of an IPM? It is not the Council of Free Nations that goes about rattling its sabre but it is the Lena Pact and it is Katyusha which goes about threatening the peaceloving nations of this world. It is Katyusha that invaded and subjugated Adraisia. It is Katyusha that threatens my nation to this day. It is Katyusha that threatens Tellia. It is Katyusha that subjugates the Giessian Novatainians. We member states of the Council of Free Nations are not willing to stand by and watch the nations of the world fall and crumble to Katyushan agitators. We are for diplomacy in all matters. Appeasment is a sensible course usually but in this instance, this noblest of word's in the diplomat's vocabulary cannot be used against Katyusha. It is the wrong solution. Containment by force; whether that be force of economy, force of politics or force of arms is the way to stop Katyusha. And so that is why the formation of this Neutrality Pact so saddens me. Appeasement does not work against aggressive regimes of this nature as history often tells us. I am moved to look to the words of Elie Wiesel when accepting a nobel peace prize; "Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." Does Ocia not trust the Kingdom of Lovely no longer? I have personally put much effort into seeking to make our nations two good friends and yet from Ocia I have received nothing but slaps in the face in past weeks. Was it not the Kingdom of Lovely that came to Ocia's aid in Dalmantia, enforcing a ceasefire and withdrawl of Adraisian forces? Has it not been the Kingdom of Lovely who has provided you with a new Aircraft Carrier? The Kingdom of Lovely seeks to participate in your economy. I see no other nation doing so. I spoke of the need for Lovely and Ocia to work together and to become close friends on my visit over here and despite assurances, no action has been taken and no return visit has happened. Are we Lovelys not the valued friend to you which we considered you to be to us? The Hammish Crisis is one that has not been dealt with particularly well within the Council states and we are seeking to rectify it. I can catagorically state that armed conflict is not, nor has it ever been, considered over the issue. Hammish political, economic, cultural and geographical sovereignty will be respected by all the Council states. So, will the Neutrality Pact engage with the Council of Free States? Will it seek better understanding as it promises to? Will it aim to broker peace on Micras and Giess? I am no psychic so I cannot say and nor will I have power in the Neutrality Pact to influence its direction but the Neutrality Pact will teeter on the edge of Neutrality for its lifespan and runs the risk of being captured between the Council and the Lena Nations, being trusted by neither but hated by both. Whether you are aware of it or not, the Neutrality is creating a bloc and an alliance and I am both worried and saddened by that. A Neutrality Pact is a noble aim but one which as I have already said can be polluted and sullied. And I finish with the following words; "Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless." And who's motto is that? A Neutrality Pact founder; Alex Hinkelmann. I hope he lives not by that motto and I hope that the Neutrality Pact doesn't either.
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Post by Alex Hinkelmann on Aug 17, 2008 14:43:17 GMT -4
Herr Montague,
So far as I have seen the "Council of Free States" is no better then the Lena Pact. Several of your member states have been saber rattling with the nation of Hamland, the setup of a radar site that was setup for no other reason then to watch Hammish airways, the sending of a Military Babkhan Vessel to "observe" the Hammish situation which is more like spying and showing your intimidation tactics, as the Council of Free States gathered resources (Quite a waste of resources I might add) If your Council was Free loving they would leave a democratic society to do as they will with there internal policies.
I think your tired of this "cold war" and wish to find someone who is willing to fight your petty alliance, because that is what the Hammish Conflict is Petty.
As for my motto: "Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless." I use that because any alliance/pact who will not defend its member states and ignore the signs that war is inevitable is in fact useless.
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Post by curtissinclair on Aug 17, 2008 19:48:55 GMT -4
@anthony Montague: I beleive the Ocian people have already made their decision.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Aug 18, 2008 18:13:52 GMT -4
Excellency,
Primarily, I’d like to assure you that the government of the Ocian Federation considers Lovely as one of it’s closest friends just as we always have had, a high level of trust and Respect for Lovely.
However, it is extremely important for us to convey to you is that we do not see the so called “communist threat” as the greatest threat to Ocia’s security. The Babkhan war mongers, are constantly seeking armed confrontation with Ocia and we strongly condemn their efforts to bully other nations as they have done countless times before, a good example of this is Hamland. The very nation that does this is apart of the Council of Free States. The Neutrality pact is being created to say that we do not agree with either organization. We do believe the Council of Free States does have an appropriate aspect to it, but because Babkha has manipulated it so much, we refuse to cooperate or hold any level of contact with the council.
Today everyone sees clearer that peaceful coexistence is necessary, but the bloc mentality that both the Council of Free States and the (proposed) Lena pact has brought to the table threatens any possibility of peaceful coexistence, this above all is the goal of our organization. The Ocian government does not support the actions of the Council of Free States nor do we support the actions of the Lena pact. Why would we support an organization that has a member that Bullies others? Threatens the Sovereignty of others? The recent and past actions of Babkha, a member of your organization has only proven to us that Babkha has no international integrity, and we unfortunately can’t cooperate with an organization that has such a member.
We hope that Lovely-Ocia relations only get closer and friendlier in the future, but I hope you respectfully understand our concerns.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Aug 19, 2008 23:33:12 GMT -4
Alright, are the parties ready to sign? If you decide to, i'm having a party at teh presidential palace (of course before Dervin gets back )
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Post by Alex Hinkelmann on Aug 20, 2008 6:11:34 GMT -4
The Germanian delegation is prepared to sign and seal this pact between our nations.
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