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Post by nonette on Sept 30, 2007 0:58:43 GMT -4
Please post your questions and requests here. Registration can be found on the General Board.
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Post by nonette on Oct 9, 2007 6:25:48 GMT -4
Should Pat recieve Tolars for his work that he does offline? And therefore for equities sake, should there be a standard bonus for important contribution? For instance bills for the national assembly.
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 9, 2007 9:29:50 GMT -4
Should Pat recieve Tolars for his work that he does offline? And therefore for equities sake, should there be a standard bonus for important contribution? For instance bills for the national assembly. I see no reason why he shouldn't recieve Tolars for his offline work, after all it is just as important as the work that is done online. Thus, I believe Online and Offline work of equal status should recieve equal Tolars in proportion to the importance of the work done. As for Bonus Tolars for Important Contributions, I believe that a Standard Bonus Rate for a certain Item, should be set for this so we don't have any disagreements in the future as regards what's more important and what defines an important item.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 9, 2007 15:13:58 GMT -4
Of Course I support this, everyone who he a deputy makes 50 000 tolars a year. Those who serve ministry level positions make 80 000. So Mr. Dervin Is making Double money and he should be the richest man in Ocia not so far ahead!
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 9, 2007 16:31:03 GMT -4
Thinks of what he is going to spend all his hard earned cash on.....
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 9, 2007 20:47:56 GMT -4
I don't know an Ocian house (a large one) Campaign money for the next election. That brings up a point, should ocia have elections every 6 months or year?
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Post by nonette on Oct 10, 2007 4:46:14 GMT -4
I'm thinking more frequent elections are better/ more interesting. I also think that the salaries may be a bit high. It may cause too much of a gap between new citizens and established ones in the future and may be a bit excessive considering the current 1 Tolar per post currently. In essence, the salary of a government official should reflect the benefit to Ocia that is not otherwise recognised by post or bill renumerations. Just a thought.
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 10, 2007 9:44:16 GMT -4
I think that an election held every 4-6 months would be a good idea, as Citizens come and go quite often in a Micronation world compared to Real World Nations. Not only would a 4-6 month election give all active citizens at that time a chance to run for an office, it also gives the Parties an oppertunity to update their agendas and policies in an ever changing nation.
Secondly, I think that the idea of 1 Tolar per post should be reviewed as I can make a one word post and that would have the same value as a post with 100+ words. I think there should be a system where the Tolar is given on the quality and content of a post rather than just for the post. That being said, I think there should be a salary system given to Ministers and Government Officials who actually do work in their Ministry and that a One Tolar per post salary wouldn't be apt in the case where the Minister has far more duties and workload than an ordinary citizen.
Just my 2 cents....
Michael Dervin, MoE
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Post by nonette on Oct 10, 2007 17:09:51 GMT -4
Yeah I think 4 months would be a good time - I can't remember what I put in the new constitution, (which by the way Michael and Pat should be available to you once Matt has converted it to .pdf) and it would keep things happening and people on their toes.
With regards to posting, I do see where you are coming from; but I am thinking that it all kinda levels out eventually to an accaptable level, posts do fluctuate in length, but sometimes one word can be quite profound in the context, just as a thousand words can be nearly meaningless. Yes, quality and content are the best indicators, but the system is attempting to be as simple as possible as it is in its infancy still (and I do not have endless time nor the gift of unbiased judgement.) I believe the current wording is that each "qualifying post" recieves 1 Tolar, so I do reserve the right to suggest that a certain post by person X does not recieve recognition (and so theoretically does everyone), if for example it is overly short, incomprehensible, rude, waffle or whatever. Then I would just adjust the account as need be. The system does rely somewhat on trust and does depend largely on context. The Salary of an official is a very important thing to consider, obviously the work that you do in forging relationships on foriegn forums must be monetarily recognised, it is just the salary I am concerned about. The salary should not be too big, lest it results in post recognition payments being worthless (and thus potentially alienating new members who are yet to recieve a salaried position, or foriegn accounts) nor so small that it discourages valuable work from being done. It's certainly a tricky problem. I would personally suggest that for the first month or so, a reward-for-work based system is used, until it can be determined what a good average salary is.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 10, 2007 20:13:37 GMT -4
I would say 4 months is a little too short. I think 6 months will be great and the cycle will go like this; November is when the Prime Minister is elected (not directly we vote for our local representative and the party and the majority party’s leader becomes Prime Minister) Elections for President are direct and they start January 1st and the elected President’s Term will last until June. Meaning I will have to run for office this January for re-election because I was interim leader. The constitution is Available at www.ocia.t83.net/ on the main page under latest news.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 10, 2007 20:17:30 GMT -4
I would say 4 months is a little too short. I think 6 months will be great and the cycle will go like this; November is when the Prime Minister is elected (not directly we vote for our local representative and the party and the majority party’s leader becomes Prime Minister) Elections for President are direct and they start January 1st and the elected President’s Term will last until June. Meaning I will have to run for office this January for re-election because I was interim leader. The constitution is Available at www.freewebs.com/ociamil/Ocianconstitution.pdf
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 11, 2007 9:09:30 GMT -4
I would say 4 months is a little too short. I think 6 months will be great and the cycle will go like this; November is when the Prime Minister is elected (not directly we vote for our local representative and the party and the majority party’s leader becomes Prime Minister) Elections for President are direct and they start January 1st and the elected President’s Term will last until June. Meaning I will have to run for office this January for re-election because I was interim leader. The constitution is Available at www.freewebs.com/ociamil/Ocianconstitution.pdf I think that the Constitution will need to be changed to suit this new 6 month term as the current draft of the constitution says: [/u] 3. The National Council of Ocia shall be competent. 4. The fundamentals of organization and activity of the National Council of Ocia and its bodies, competence of sessions of the National Council of Ocia and its bodies shall be determined by federal law, the Constitution of Ocia, laws of Ocia and procedural regulations of the National Council of Ocia. 5. To control implementation of the republican budget of Ocia the National Council of Ocia shall set up the accounts chamber of the National Council of Ocia, its composition and work procedures shall be determined by law of Ocia. [/quote] So we need to change the Three Months to Six Months term in the constitution. The next issue that needs to be addressed is what is the Maximum Seats/People that are allowed to be elected to the National Council, as at the moment this is open so anyone who wants to be elected can be and as a result the Party with the most members will win the Prime Minister and Majority of the Parliament and this might not always be a good thing!!! Any suggestions to the Max Limit? Michael Dervin B.C.L, M.Sc Minister for the Exterior
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 11, 2007 15:17:50 GMT -4
My apoligies for not making this clear in the past. Below is the (current) structure of the seats.
Two deputies representing Directrus
Two Representing November City
Two representing North Point
4 Representing other smaller areas of Ocia so in total that’s 11 seats that are available currently all the elected representatives are from the LDO.
3 months I would say I a little too short, I do not have the power to change the constitution it is up to the National Assembly to vote on this and the leader of the National Assembly Prime Minister Manson can propose this for a vote.
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Post by nonette on Oct 12, 2007 2:44:01 GMT -4
Well, I did just pull a number of months out of thin air : )... as somewhere to start from, so I think that it could be changed without vote.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 12, 2007 15:10:52 GMT -4
Ok no problem it will be updated.
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