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Post by anthonymontague on Dec 5, 2008 12:24:43 GMT -4
My fellow Ocians, Michael Dervin has been elected President of our Federation yesterday. You may notice that there is more than a hint of regret in my voice in saying that. I offer him my congratulations on his electoral success and hope he lives up to what he promises; activity. However, I wouldn't be living up to being the opposition if I welcome this electoral result with open arms. I find it incredulous that the Kovac campaign, after being so derogatory towards Mr. Dervin throughout the campaign, found it so easy to vote for Mr. Dervin. What was offered to Mr. Kovac for his support? In accepting the offer, which I wholeheartedly now believe has been done, was Mr. Kovac acting in his own interest or in Ocia's interest? I hold in my hand, my friends, a letter I received from Mr. Kovac during the campaign it reads as follows; I politely declined the offer as it was too early in the campaign for deals to be made and because its not in my nature to cut deals when nation's interests are at stake. I have always had respect for Mr. Kovac, despite where we may disagree in policy, until this point where I have seen Ocia's interests sold down the river for individual political gain. I find it shocking and disgusting that such a thing has occured. Mr. Kovac would have been an integral part of my Presidential team if elected but now he must be in the pocket of his arch-rival which is a shame not just to Ocia, but I feel to himself also. Only yesterday, we the people were informed of war with Cerulea. Today, the war is averted not because of inspired leadership on the part of Mr. Dervin or Mr. Radchenko. No, we are saved from the horrors of war because Mr. Dervin is going to run away. So much for activity, so much for loyalty and so much leadership. All loyal Ocian citizens, even those threatened by the Government because of legal doubts of the nature of the notification of war, should be ready to fight for Ocia's freedom which is being threatened by a host of corrupt nations circling our nation. Now, with this lack of will and backbone, Ocia is even more vulnerable to having its lands annexed without so much as a fight. Today is a sad day Ocia and I doubt even the Divine is capable of helping us. Good Night and Good Luck.
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Post by Sir Kieran Henson OCS on Dec 5, 2008 14:18:40 GMT -4
I find this quite confusing as I count as one person yet Michael recieved six votes and how on earth can Michael promise me the Prime Ministerial ship when he himself is only worth 1 vote?
I have always supported Kakali during his time as Prime Minister and if I lose to him, I will know it was to a worthy opponent.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Dec 5, 2008 16:51:42 GMT -4
My fellow Ocians, Michael Dervin has been elected President of our Federation yesterday. You may notice that there is more than a hint of regret in my voice in saying that. I offer him my congratulations on his electoral success and hope he lives up to what he promises; activity. However, I wouldn't be living up to being the opposition if I welcome this electoral result with open arms. I find it incredulous that the Kovac campaign, after being so derogatory towards Mr. Dervin throughout the campaign, found it so easy to vote for Mr. Dervin. What was offered to Mr. Kovac for his support? In accepting the offer, which I wholeheartedly now believe has been done, was Mr. Kovac acting in his own interest or in Ocia's interest? I hold in my hand, my friends, a letter I received from Mr. Kovac during the campaign it reads as follows; I politely declined the offer as it was too early in the campaign for deals to be made and because its not in my nature to cut deals when nation's interests are at stake. I have always had respect for Mr. Kovac, despite where we may disagree in policy, until this point where I have seen Ocia's interests sold down the river for individual political gain. I find it shocking and disgusting that such a thing has occured. Mr. Kovac would have been an integral part of my Presidential team if elected but now he must be in the pocket of his arch-rival which is a shame not just to Ocia, but I feel to himself also. Only yesterday, we the people were informed of war with Cerulea. Today, the war is averted not because of inspired leadership on the part of Mr. Dervin or Mr. Radchenko. No, we are saved from the horrors of war because Mr. Dervin is going to run away. So much for activity, so much for loyalty and so much leadership. All loyal Ocian citizens, even those threatened by the Government because of legal doubts of the nature of the notification of war, should be ready to fight for Ocia's freedom which is being threatened by a host of corrupt nations circling our nation. Now, with this lack of will and backbone, Ocia is even more vulnerable to having its lands annexed without so much as a fight. Today is a sad day Ocia and I doubt even the Divine is capable of helping us. Good Night and Good Luck. Who do you think you are calling me a hypocrite and trying to reveal my SECRET ballot? Or was this your back up blackmail strategy? This act alone is not only unethical but also extremely unprofessional. The Social Democrat Party of Ocia made its decision about supporting a certain candidate because we believed that it was in Ocia's best interest to do so considering the changes the Dervin campaign promised to keep, and allow me to assure the Ocian people that if these promises are not kept this time around there will be a change in Personova Palace just as fast as there was one yesterday. You accuse me of making a power sharing deal, why would I need a power sharing deal? My contributions to Ocia are needed by whichever government is elected, I don’t need some power sharing agreement. To also reveal a confidential document really shows your true colours. Perhaps you also miss another point, The President is not willing to go into a Suicide war to take down one of the most corrupt micronations I have ever seen- although they will have their day- we will not be dragged into a war with extremely unfair odds (Last I checked Shireroth, Toketi, and Novatainia all have supported them, and I will recommend that Ocia withdrawals all relations with all three nations). The pathetic enemy needs to hide behind their so called "allies." I once respected these nations but this is no longer the case.
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 5, 2008 18:33:03 GMT -4
Revealing the secret balot thats obviously that easy to work out .. as before Michael Dervin was on 6 votes (when yourself and your friend voted for you), then on the second one he has 2 extra.. wow, its too hard math for me to handle. And indeed, Anthony is not the only one who is shocked of that, Matt. I don't personally mind who you vote for, obviously it is your choice. But for someone who is constantly telling of the bad things Michael Dervin does for Ocia, and stating how you are basically enemies and hate each other to the bone.. you can quickly change your mind and jump in the pocket of your self-proclaimed 'enemy'. Of course, you don't have to explain to anyone why you had chosen to vote for anyone, but still.. accept that some of your actions may have been hypocritcal in the past and stop accusing Anthony of having a 'blackmail' plan. Heh.. blackmail indeed..
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Post by Matt Kovac on Dec 5, 2008 18:44:07 GMT -4
He has no right to criticize how I voted at all. There are no exceptions; it is my constitutional right that I am entitled to, like all Ocian citizens, a confidential vote, no matter how easy the math is. Mr. Montague has breached my constitutional right. This is the dirtiest tactics I've seen in a long time.
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Post by scott on Dec 6, 2008 13:11:48 GMT -4
Shireroth has not officially supported anyone. Our Minister of Military Affairs suggested we support Cerulea, others disagreed, and the war stopped happening before the Kaiser or Landsraad had a chance to decide the issue.
Ocia seems to be short on allies. Jumping to nasty conclusions about people without doing research won't help that. Also, you guys all need to CALM DOWN.
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Post by anthonymontague on Dec 6, 2008 19:45:52 GMT -4
Allow me to address your points, Matt:
1. I am Anthony Montague and I think that's enough for me to call you a hypocrite. This isn't blackmail merely just revealing the truth and the facts of the matter. Actually, I don't know how this on earth could be blackmail because it would involve me getting some material gain out of holding this over your head. I don't stand to gain anything and I'm certainly not holding this over you head. In fact, I think I just dropped it on your head like an anvil. I wouldn't call this unprofessional either, mainly because being a political candidate isn't a profession and also because revealing the truth isn't a bad thing. As for your votes being cast in the best interests of Ocia? Don't peddle that lie to me, Matt. You sold Ocia down the river for your own gain.
2. Please tell me my true colours. Also, its not a confidential document. You sent it to me, placing it in my possession. Therefore I think I'm allowed to do whatever I want with it. Its not confidential. As for the violation of your constitutional right, Rebecca made the point that its blatantly obvious were votes end up in our system.
3. I thought you, Michael and Kolya where all good enough to fight anyone on their day? Or that was the impression I was given by Kolya when I offered my services to help Ocia's war effort. Ocia's image has once again been tarnished by Government incompetence in foreign affairs. You wouldn't have gotten that with a Montague Presidency let me assure you.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Dec 6, 2008 22:53:52 GMT -4
Is this how you justify publically ridiculing my vote? Keep trying to find an excuse, but you won't find one for deliberately violating my constitutional right. This is a reason I have been pushing for constitutional reform for a long time, we need a different system for us to vote.
Blackmailing would require a resource to use if things don’t go a certain way; at least, that’s how I see the situation. It’s also interesting that you think political candidates should not be professional. I would never sell Ocia down any road for anyone’s gain, its a shame you see that, I out of all people as the nation's founder, value it the most, as much as you'd like to portray me as someone who simply voted some way so that I got some personal gain, there is a very important fact you have missed. I disagree with Michael on several matters but he did point out that there is a lack of experience in Ocia on your part. Should you have had perhaps another month or two in a position in Ocia I'd say that in the Presidential election my vote would have been in the basket. Selling Ocia out would have been if the Social Democrats in general in ANY election supported a candidate that had not yet had time to serve in a position in Ocia.
In retrospect, was this really a concession speech or was it an attack add geared at completing some unfinished business? I had clearly offered to step down and support you, something which I was at the least, implying in the letter, but it was rejected and so were you.
With regards to the war would you have rather 200 000 Ocian troops face the wrath of 1 million foreign aggressors? If this is true, I have some serious doubts regarding your judgement micronationally. I certainly am glad that we did not needlessly sacrifice the lives of 200 000 Ocian Servicemen on Micras for someone's pride, with the end result of us signing a treaty more despicable then the treaty of Versailles.
Lastly, Ocia's image has been tarnished by a GOVERNMENT (Government being the body which is led by the PM) of incompetence in foreign affairs. That is it exactly, to be fair, the duty of the Prime Minister who does not in general give adequate instructions to any of his ministers. The Minister of the Exterior, still after months, has not completed a world tour which he was instructed to complete. I will not place this blame soully on Mr. Dervin’s shoulders; I will however place some of it on them, because he has provided unconditional job security to a certain minister who is quite frankly insubordinate, confrontational, and someone who does not comply with their set of duties. Some of this blame does go to the Prime Minister and of course me for not properly inspiring Ministers to not only carry out their own duties, but to carry out creative ones conceptionalized by themselves. Before anyone criticizes my lack of green policy, it was all planned for Giess and since Giess itself collapsed before I could initiate it, I did not complete it. The Decision was made when I saw the candidate whom I had pledged to support if the election did not go my way, attack me on the eve of the Presidential elections for defending my reputation and integrity and doing the dirty job of laying out the facts, something which no one wanted done.
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Post by anthonymontague on Dec 7, 2008 17:41:37 GMT -4
Where would our 200,000 troops come from and their 1 million? Are you aware of the recwarring system under the Annunia convention, which the war would have undoubtedly been fought under?
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 7, 2008 18:57:32 GMT -4
Ocia are used to the other system.. so.. I doubt they are. Well, someone 'should' know, but pass as to whom.
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Post by anthonymontague on Dec 8, 2008 6:30:23 GMT -4
What is the other system? The ZRS system? Nobody has used that or wants to since Goloni.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Dec 8, 2008 10:07:57 GMT -4
Ocia uses and will be primarily using the GSOS Rec War'ing system (when the New ones comes out), and in that system our Manpower is considerably larger than 200 000. Although my knowledge of the Anunia system is primitive, my estimation is that with our current citizen count- we could have something around 200 000-250 000 troops, this number was not pulled from the sky. With regards to the enemy count, it probably would have been close to, or exceeded 1 Million troops, or something equivalent to in equipment (i.e Naval Ships etc.).
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