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Post by Sir Kieran Henson OCS on Oct 14, 2008 17:48:59 GMT -4
Dear all,
Just to let you know that I am officially resigning as Minister of the Exterior. I want to thank Michael Dervin and Prime Minister Kakali for their invaluble support during my time as Minister. I have enjoyed the job, but their were certain issues that made me choose to resign. I wish Michael and Kakali the very best in their future endevours.
Kind Regards,
Sir Kieran Henson
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Post by Peter Ulsnes on Oct 14, 2008 20:16:16 GMT -4
It is a sad thing for Ocia to see such a fine Minister of the Exterior go. I wish you luck with any future plans you might possess.
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Post by sisodiagov on Oct 14, 2008 23:40:57 GMT -4
Dear Kieran, I enjoyed working with you and would like to wish you the best. Cyril has renamed Kalampur "the Lakhdives" and you are always welcome to visit us anytime! Best, Constantin
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 16, 2008 7:50:05 GMT -4
Given that the 48 hour constitutional deadline has elasped for this resignation to be accepted or declined by the PM, the Office of the President has no choice but to go with the old saying, "If in doubt, chuck it out", thus, I do hereby refuse to accept this resignation due to the resignation not recieving Prime Ministrial Approval before being presented to my office. Mr. Henson, remains as Minister of the Exterior until further notice.
M Dervin
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 16, 2008 23:23:53 GMT -4
It is Constitutional law that the President must accept it, this duty is far more ceremonial than it is actually necessary.
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 17, 2008 9:28:04 GMT -4
I have read the Constitution fully and it says no where that I must accept, maybe I missed it, would you like to post the article in which it says I must accept? I doubt you can, so please don't try to lecture me in Constitutional law, cause I will run rings around you when it comes to this topic, becuase I know what the constituion says and how it applies, so you can't tell me anything otherwise.
Secondly, it doesn't matter if it is ceremonial, its still a legal requirement, a requirement that you are bound to respect and follow. The Constitution celarly states the procedure, I advise you to actually read it before you quote non-existant articles and laws and stop giving lectures to those who have actually read it.
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Post by King Kakali OCS on Oct 17, 2008 14:10:45 GMT -4
My appologies gents. I wasn't able to post until today. I also wasn't aware that I had to accept the resignation, or I would have. Will the president allow for a late approval?
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Post by Rebecca on Oct 17, 2008 14:18:28 GMT -4
I have read the Constitution fully and it says no where that I must accept, maybe I missed it, would you like to post the article in which it says I must accept? I doubt you can, so please don't try to lecture me in Constitutional law, cause I will run rings around you when it comes to this topic, becuase I know what the constituion says and how it applies, so you can't tell me anything otherwise. Secondly, it doesn't matter if it is ceremonial, its still a legal requirement, a requirement that you are bound to respect and follow. The Constitution celarly states the procedure, I advise you to actually read it before you quote non-existant articles and laws and stop giving lectures to those who have actually read it. Whether constitutional or not, Michael, keeping people forced in jobs is stupid. If someone does not like the job they're doing, they have a right to quit. If we suddenly stop them from doing so, its not like thats going to spur them on to do work, is it now? So we'll end up going to the dogs cause the ministers don't want to do their jobs and therefore aren't doing work. Now, It'd be best to let him quit if thats wht he wants.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 17, 2008 15:10:15 GMT -4
Mr. President this is a matter of the law. This isn’t about his resignation, (it should have more so been a dismissal). The law of Ocia applies to everyone, even your friend who broke the law in his redundant insubordinate acts to the highest degree. Whether or not he will "do it again" is out of the question, when the law is broken it is broken. Of all things he is lucky the government of Ocia did not put him on trial. My suggestion is that my nomination for a new minister is accepted so that we can push forward with more important issues and not some egotistic rogue minister.
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Post by Sir Kieran Henson OCS on Oct 18, 2008 4:16:25 GMT -4
As per what Michael Dervin stated above, I am happy to carry on as Minister of the Exterior until further notice.
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Post by King Kakali OCS on Oct 18, 2008 9:23:48 GMT -4
Fine with me.
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Post by Matt Kovac on Oct 18, 2008 23:30:00 GMT -4
I will personally resign if this sort of rationale is kept up. Ridiculous and unbelievable. If this continues I will start a campaign which will be called "Bring Enrique Back as Edward Simms" For goodness sake, Edward simms had more integrity then the far more corrupt EX-minister Henson. If you cared about Ocia so much then perhaps you should have thought of that when you broke our laws not once but twice. This is of course on top of the matter that Mr. Kieren displayed incredible insubordination during his time as Minister of the Exterior and he also personally attacked me by slandering my ethnicity. It doesn't get very much lower than this. I have no idea why anyone would even think of protecting him from the law. I am going to proceed to press full charges.
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Post by King Kakali OCS on Oct 20, 2008 11:03:39 GMT -4
.....he also personally attacked me by slandering my ethnicity. Where exactly did he do this? I've not seen it anywhere.
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Post by Michael Dervin OCS on Oct 20, 2008 12:06:52 GMT -4
Gentlemen,
This nation as a whole takes any racial hatred or racism very seriously and condemns it greatly, as all men are born, live and die as equals, regardless of their origins, race, creed etc… It is my belief that no one here is a racist and that IF such a comments was made, then it was in the heat of a argument in which we all say things we do not mean and later regret saying, that does not make us racists nor does it warrant people being called names or subject to personal abuse.
Mr. Kovac, the Prime Minister and Myself have collectively made a agreement on this, it serves no-ones’ interests to remove and ban ministers of the Ocian Cabinet who have shown some enthusiasm and who have worked at their job in comparison to some ministers who are appointed, make one post and promptly disappear from the face of this planet. The Prime Minister and I, have every confidence in Minister Henson’s Professional ability to act in the capacity of Minister of the Exterior and to exercise duly all responsibilities and duties of such a office. Your concerns and problems with Minister Henson are of a personal nature between you and him, this is not a Governmental Issue nor does it warrant Governmental Interference or Legal Actions. I advise both you and Kieran take your personal issues of this Public Board and sort them out amongst yourselves and stop your childish bickering on the Ocian Forums. If you cannot find some common ground in your differences, then I advise you to bite your tongue and get on with your respective jobs and duties and let the rest of us have some peace. If you cannot manage this, then I advise you to use the amazing invention of e-mail to have your schoolyard antics and not the Ocian Forum.
Therefore, I lay this issue to rest and hopefully we can move onwards and upwards…
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Post by Sir Kieran Henson OCS on Oct 20, 2008 16:49:59 GMT -4
Matt, Once again I ask you to stop deleting my comments, enjoy your Admin power while you can my friend
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